Sent date: 05/21/2008
From: (email address - cut out) (Steven Cheng [MSFT])
Message:Hi Frank,
Yes, I agree that the problem is likely specific to something of the
components used here. Some simple DataTable/DataSet structure will not
quite repro the exact same behavior. Would you provide a sample class (used
to transfer in WCF method) that will cause such problem(even in a very
simply configured WCF service)? If the code is not convenient to paste on
web, you can email them as a solution to me so that I can test on my side.
You can reach me via the following email:
"stcheng" + @ + "microsoft.com"
Sincerely,
Steven Cheng
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Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 08:14:07 +0200
From: Frank Hauptlorenz <(email address - cut out)am>
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Subject: Re: Returning a DataTable blocks WCF-Service
Hello Steven,
it blocks until the time-out occurs. I think it's also not related to
the data itsself, maybe it's related to the
data structure. You can also reference the next post in this newsgroup,
it's the same topic.
Best wishes,
Frank
Steven Cheng [MSFT] schrieb:
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> Hi Frank,
>
> As for the DataTable transfer in WCF, there hasn't known issue for
> DataTable object. I think the problem you encounter is possibly a
> problem. Since DataTable will contains data values(from database),
> sometimes it might raise some problem if the raw data in the DataTable
> error when being serialized during the request/response.
>
> Have you tried different kind of data records(in the datatable) to see
> whether the problem only occurs when the datatable carry some particular
> kind of data? Also, for the blocking behavior, is it means a block until
> timeout or just make the response very slow?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Steven Cheng
>
> Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
>
>
> Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments and
> suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you.
> feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service
> provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at:
> (email address - cut out).
>
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Sent date: 05/21/2008
From: Frank Hauptlorenz <(email address - cut out)am>
Message:Dear Steven,
I've compiled a zip-archive with the server project and sent it to you
in some minutes.
Here are some hints:
The test method (operation contract) is this one:
public DataTable GetTestDataTableMethod()
{
DataTable tab = new
RECAROReportsMasterDataSet.ReportSettingsDataTable();
return tab;
}
It just instantiates an EMPTY DataTable from an generated DataSet
(created with VS2008 and not manipulated).
The WCF-Connection times out after the return. You should be able to
read out all the WCF-Settings from the service project, or?
Thank you,
Frank
Steven Cheng [MSFT] schrieb:
Show quoted text
> Hi Frank,
>
> Yes, I agree that the problem is likely specific to something of the
> components used here. Some simple DataTable/DataSet structure will not
> quite repro the exact same behavior. Would you provide a sample class (used
> to transfer in WCF method) that will cause such problem(even in a very
> simply configured WCF service)? If the code is not convenient to paste on
> web, you can email them as a solution to me so that I can test on my side.
> You can reach me via the following email:
>
> "stcheng" + @ + "microsoft.com"
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Steven Cheng
>
> Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
>
>
> Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments and
> suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you. Please
> feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service
> provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at:
> (email address - cut out).
>
> ==================================================
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> ications.
>
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>
> --------------------
> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 08:14:07 +0200
> From: Frank Hauptlorenz <(email address - cut out)am>
> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213)
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Subject: Re: Returning a DataTable blocks WCF-Service
>
> Hello Steven,
>
> it blocks until the time-out occurs. I think it's also not related to
> the data itsself, maybe it's related to the
> data structure. You can also reference the next post in this newsgroup,
> it's the same topic.
>
> Best wishes,
> Frank
>
> Steven Cheng [MSFT] schrieb:
>
>> Hi Frank,
>>
>> As for the DataTable transfer in WCF, there hasn't known issue for
>>
> generic
>
>> DataTable object. I think the problem you encounter is possibly a
>>
> specific
>
>> problem. Since DataTable will contains data values(from database),
>> sometimes it might raise some problem if the raw data in the DataTable
>>
> get
>
>> error when being serialized during the request/response.
>>
>> Have you tried different kind of data records(in the datatable) to see
>> whether the problem only occurs when the datatable carry some particular
>> kind of data? Also, for the blocking behavior, is it means a block until
>> timeout or just make the response very slow?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Steven Cheng
>>
>> Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
>>
>>
>> Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments and
>> suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you.
>>
> Please
>
>> feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service
>> provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at:
>> (email address - cut out).
>>
>> ==================================================
>> Get notification to my posts through email? Please refer to
>>
>>
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>
>> ications.
>>
Sent date: 05/26/2008
From: (email address - cut out) (Steven Cheng [MSFT])
Message:Hi Frank,
I've performed some tests according to your test solution. Yes, I've repro
the same behavior as you mentioned. Also, after some furter simplify and
isolation, the problem does be the DataTable type. Even if a very WCF
service method that return an empty DataTable will raise exception. I've
discussed with some other WCF engineers and found that there does exists
some problem with the WCF's serialization on DataTable if we return it
directly in WCF methods. Their suggestion now is that we try best to avoid
directly returning DataTable instance in WCF method, instead, we can
construct a Dataset object which contains the DataTable, and then return
the DataSet object instead. You can try this to see whether it helps.
Sincerely,
Steven Cheng
Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments and
suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you. Please
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Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 08:43:27 +0200
From: Frank Hauptlorenz <(email address - cut out)am>
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213)
Dear Steven,
I've compiled a zip-archive with the server project and sent it to you
in some minutes.
Here are some hints:
The test method (operation contract) is this one:
public DataTable GetTestDataTableMethod()
{
DataTable tab = new
RECAROReportsMasterDataSet.ReportSettingsDataTable();
return tab;
}
It just instantiates an EMPTY DataTable from an generated DataSet
(created with VS2008 and not manipulated).
The WCF-Connection times out after the return. You should be able to
read out all the WCF-Settings from the service project, or?
Thank you,
Frank
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Show quoted text
> Hi Frank,
>
> Yes, I agree that the problem is likely specific to something of the
> components used here. Some simple DataTable/DataSet structure will not
> quite repro the exact same behavior. Would you provide a sample class
> to transfer in WCF method) that will cause such problem(even in a very
> simply configured WCF service)? If the code is not convenient to paste
> web, you can email them as a solution to me so that I can test on my
> You can reach me via the following email:
>
> "stcheng" + @ + "microsoft.com"
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Steven Cheng
>
> Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
>
>
> Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments and
> suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you.
> feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service
> provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at:
> (email address - cut out).
>
> ==================================================
> Get notification to my posts through email? Please refer to
>
> ications.
>
> ==================================================
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>
> --------------------
> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 08:14:07 +0200
> From: Frank Hauptlorenz <(email address - cut out)am>
> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213)
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Subject: Re: Returning a DataTable blocks WCF-Service
>
> Hello Steven,
>
> it blocks until the time-out occurs. I think it's also not related to
> the data itsself, maybe it's related to the
> data structure. You can also reference the next post in this newsgroup,
> it's the same topic.
>
> Best wishes,
> Frank
>
> Steven Cheng [MSFT] schrieb:
>
>> Hi Frank,
>>
>> As for the DataTable transfer in WCF, there hasn't known issue for
>>
> generic
>
>> DataTable object. I think the problem you encounter is possibly a
>>
> specific
>
>> problem. Since DataTable will contains data values(from database),
>> sometimes it might raise some problem if the raw data in the DataTable
>>
> get
>
>> error when being serialized during the request/response.
>>
>> Have you tried different kind of data records(in the datatable) to see
>> whether the problem only occurs when the datatable carry some particular
>> kind of data? Also, for the blocking behavior, is it means a block until
>> timeout or just make the response very slow?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Steven Cheng
>>
>> Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
>>
>>
>> Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments
>> suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you.
>>
> Please
>
>> feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service
>> provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at:
>> (email address - cut out).
>>
>> ==================================================
>> Get notification to my posts through email? Please refer to
>>
>>
>
>
>> ications.
>>
Sent date: 05/26/2008
From: Frank Hauptlorenz <(email address - cut out)am>
Message:Hello,
this is exactly my workaround I'm using (constructing an empty DataSet
and adding the table).
Will there be some changes in the WCF to support this in the future?
And besides: the WCF is a really great piece of software.
Best regards,
Frank
Steven Cheng [MSFT] schrieb:
Show quoted text
> Hi Frank,
>
> I've performed some tests according to your test solution. Yes, I've repro
> the same behavior as you mentioned. Also, after some furter simplify and
> isolation, the problem does be the DataTable type. Even if a very WCF
> service method that return an empty DataTable will raise exception. I've
> discussed with some other WCF engineers and found that there does exists
> some problem with the WCF's serialization on DataTable if we return it
> directly in WCF methods. Their suggestion now is that we try best to avoid
> directly returning DataTable instance in WCF method, instead, we can
> construct a Dataset object which contains the DataTable, and then return
> the DataSet object instead. You can try this to see whether it helps.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Steven Cheng
>
> Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
>
>
> Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments and
> suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you. Please
> feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service
> provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at:
> (email address - cut out).
>
> ==================================================
> Get notification to my posts through email? Please refer to
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/managednewsgroups/default.aspx#notif
> ications.
>
> ==================================================
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
>
>
> ==================================================
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.--------------------
> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 08:43:27 +0200
> From: Frank Hauptlorenz <(email address - cut out)am>
> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213)
>
>
> Dear Steven,
>
> I've compiled a zip-archive with the server project and sent it to you
> in some minutes.
> Here are some hints:
>
> The test method (operation contract) is this one:
>
> public DataTable GetTestDataTableMethod()
> {
> DataTable tab = new
> RECAROReportsMasterDataSet.ReportSettingsDataTable();
>
> return tab;
> }
>
> It just instantiates an EMPTY DataTable from an generated DataSet
> (created with VS2008 and not manipulated).
> The WCF-Connection times out after the return. You should be able to
> read out all the WCF-Settings from the service project, or?
>
>
> Thank you,
> Frank
>
>
> Steven Cheng [MSFT] schrieb:
>
>> Hi Frank,
>>
>> Yes, I agree that the problem is likely specific to something of the
>> components used here. Some simple DataTable/DataSet structure will not
>> quite repro the exact same behavior. Would you provide a sample class
>>
> (used
>
>> to transfer in WCF method) that will cause such problem(even in a very
>> simply configured WCF service)? If the code is not convenient to paste
>>
> on
>
>> web, you can email them as a solution to me so that I can test on my
>>
> side.
>
>> You can reach me via the following email:
>>
>> "stcheng" + @ + "microsoft.com"
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Steven Cheng
>>
>> Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
>>
>>
>> Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments and
>> suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you.
>>
> Please
>
>> feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service
>> provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at:
>> (email address - cut out).
>>
>> ==================================================
>> Get notification to my posts through email? Please refer to
>>
>>
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>>
> rights.
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>> --------------------
>> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 08:14:07 +0200
>> From: Frank Hauptlorenz <(email address - cut out)am>
>> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213)
>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>> Subject: Re: Returning a DataTable blocks WCF-Service
>>
>> Hello Steven,
>>
>> it blocks until the time-out occurs. I think it's also not related to
>> the data itsself, maybe it's related to the
>> data structure. You can also reference the next post in this newsgroup,
>> it's the same topic.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Frank
>>
>> Steven Cheng [MSFT] schrieb:
>>
>>
>>> Hi Frank,
>>>
>>> As for the DataTable transfer in WCF, there hasn't known issue for
>>>
>>>
>> generic
>>
>>
>>> DataTable object. I think the problem you encounter is possibly a
>>>
>>>
>> specific
>>
>>
>>> problem. Since DataTable will contains data values(from database),
>>> sometimes it might raise some problem if the raw data in the DataTable
>>>
>>>
>> get
>>
>>
>>> error when being serialized during the request/response.
>>>
>>> Have you tried different kind of data records(in the datatable) to see
>>> whether the problem only occurs when the datatable carry some particular
>>> kind of data? Also, for the blocking behavior, is it means a block until
>>> timeout or just make the response very slow?
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Steven Cheng
>>>
>>> Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
>>>
>>>
>>> Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments
>>>
> and
>
>>> suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you.
>>>
>>>
>> Please
>>
>>
>>> feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service
>>> provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at:
>>> (email address - cut out).
>>>
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>>>
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>>
>>> ications.
>>>
>>>
>
>
Sent date: 05/27/2008
From: (email address - cut out) (Steven Cheng [MSFT])
Message:Thanks for your reply Frank,
Yes, I agree with you that WCF is one of the greatest feature involved in
the new .NET framework components. Actually I think its programming model
is quite clear and unified. That make it much easier to understand and use
comparing to many other existing distributed computing component such as
.net remoting , webservice.
Anyway, for this issue, I think the dev team has also noticed this since
I've also found some information of this issue from some MS engineer's
blog. I would also suggest you submit it to the connect feedback site since
the dev team will constantly monitor the issues and feedback there so as to
consider features for future improvement.
#Visual Studio and .NET Framework - English
http://connect.microsoft.com/feedback/default.aspx?SiteID=210
Thanks again for your posting.
Sincerely,
Steven Cheng
Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments and
suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you. Please
feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service
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Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 12:51:30 +0200
From: Frank Hauptlorenz <(email address - cut out)am>
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Subject: Re: Returning a DataTable blocks WCF-Service
Hello,
this is exactly my workaround I'm using (constructing an empty DataSet
and adding the table).
Will there be some changes in the WCF to support this in the future?
And besides: the WCF is a really great piece of software.
Best regards,
Frank
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